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Don't forget that Astra 2F 28e broadcasts to West and West Central Africa. They will need satellite broadcasts for decades to come due to a lack of terrestrial television transmitters and fibre broadband. In future there may be two not three satellites, one used for UK transmissions as it is the only way to cover Britain, Ireland and all the small islands at once.
 
Fisty McB said:
I suspect the biggest obstacle will be the way a lot of modern Sky dishes quite quickly rust to repoint them anywhere else other than to replace them.
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yeah, i replaced a maybe 12 year old one recently and the bolt heads just broke off . new dishes are dirt cheap though
 
Sky Sports UK has secured all UEFA Europa League and UEFA Conference League rights until 2031.

The contract between Sky UK and SES for satellite capacity at Astra 28°E runs until 2029.

If they renew the contract beyond 2029, SES may need to launch a new satellite at the 28°E orbital position.

Alternatively, Sky could move to Astra 1Q, which will have around 80 transponders like Astra 1P


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Kimi Mamdouh said:
Sky Sports UK has secured all UEFA Europa League and UEFA Conference League rights until 2031.

The contract between Sky UK and SES for satellite capacity at Astra 28°E runs until 2029.

If they renew the contract beyond 2029, SES may need to launch a new satellite at the 28°E orbital position.

Alternatively, Sky could move to Astra 1Q, which will have around 80 transponders like Astra 1P


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There is no chance whatsoever of Sky UK moving to 19E Every single satellite dish still in use would need to be realigned. And Sky have been cutting the number of their satellite installation staff drastically in recent months as they try to move subscribers to the IP delivered services.

No need for a new satellite - they can just contract with a space tug service to keep the satellite(s) on station once they run low on station keeping fuel
 
Analoguesat said:
There is no chance whatsoever of Sky UK moving to 19E Every single satellite dish still in use would need to be realigned. And Sky have been cutting the number of their satellite installation staff drastically in recent months as they try to move subscribers to the IP delivered services.

No need for a new satellite - they can just contract with a space tug service to keep the satellite(s) on station once they run low on station keeping fuel
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SES, Infinite Orbits geo collaboration

SES has signed an agreement for a geostationary (GEO) satellite life extension mission with Infinite Orbits. The companies said the deal marks Europe’s first
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hexah said:
Don't forget that Astra 2F 28e broadcasts to West and West Central Africa. They will need satellite broadcasts for decades to come due to a lack of terrestrial television transmitters and fibre broadband. In future there may be two not three satellites, one used for UK transmissions as it is the only way to cover Britain, Ireland and all the small islands at once.
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2G at 28 E also has transmissions to Africa.
 
West Africa have 9 transponders on Astra 2.
When Sky leave there will be only the Freesat service which may be cut also, so possibly a PBS light service could be offered, similar to the BBC Satback option on Telstar (15W) will be available for those in the UK with poor Freeview reception, plus those who are unwilling to have broadband in their homes. The BBC HAVE to provide a service to the UK so coming off satellite is not an option. There is no way SES will operate or even refuel these birds at 28.2/28.5, let alone operate just the one bird for 9 West Africa and possibly 1 'Freesat lite service' transponders, or even the 8 Freesat transponders that are currently available.
SES has acquired Intelsat which means that competition in orbital positions has diminished.
SES has obviously looked at Hotbird and realised that they can copy its success by launching additional birds at 19.2 which has its next launch Astra Q in 2027 with an additional 80 transponders, so that's over 160 transponders with super spotbeam technology which can be adjusted by software updates. So expect a few orbital slots to shut down as SES can easily broadcast all the major Western European broadcasters on Astra 1, saving money.
Yes there may be angry customers (UK & Africa) who have to move their rusty satellite dish 10cm to the right, but how many times have the public had to buy a new tv aerial or a new HD Freeview or HD Freesat box because of new technology.
 
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I dont think there is any obligation to the BBC to provide a satellite service - when the 28E birds cease OR the Beeb decide its not commercially justified the BBC satellite service will just end with people told to move over to IPTV delivery. All broadcasters are desperate to get their punters onto IPTV because they get all that lovely valuable data about EXACTLY what punters are watching, & for how long.

And commercial operators get to insert local adverts and can make the adverts none skippable - or charge a nice premium for no adverts.
 
Analoguesat said:
There is no chance whatsoever of Sky UK moving to 19E Every single satellite dish still in use would need to be realigned. And Sky have been cutting the number of their satellite installation staff drastically in recent months as they try to move subscribers to the IP delivered services.

No need for a new satellite - they can just contract with a space tug service to keep the satellite(s) on station once they run low on station keeping fuel
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agree, they'll probably keep the best condition satellite going and junk the rest.

can these tug services work with any satellite, or are there technical limitations?
 
Analoguesat said:
I dont think there is any obligation to the BBC to provide a satellite service - when the 28E birds cease OR the Beeb decide its not commercially justified the BBC satellite service will just end with people told to move over to IPTV delivery. All broadcasters are desperate to get their punters onto IPTV because they get all that lovely valuable data about EXACTLY what punters are watching, & for how long.

And commercial operators get to insert local adverts and can make the adverts none skippable - or charge a nice premium for no adverts.
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That Data is exactly why I want to keep watching as much as possible via 1 way satellite or DTT.

Most broadcasters have still not sufficiently solved the Live Lag over the internet either. Even Sky Q virtually needing an internet connection requires you to have to setup your own DNS server to block the diagnostic data, they monitor every key stroke from your remote. Multicast DVB over IP seems to be all but dead ( with BT youview ) which would be the ideal bandwidth conserving way to watch TV over IP.

Also Like analogue sat said, unless some new KIT comes out like the switch from Sky analogue to Sky digital , I can't see sky moving too different satellite positions. Anyhow Sky Digital has been going 27 years, way longer than Sky analogue lasted! That's a long time in the satellite world!
 
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There is no new satellite kit coming out - SkyQ is all but invisible on the website, & the number of satellite dish installers has been decreasing rapidly over the last few months. Its quite obvious SkyUK see their future content delivery exclusively via IPTV in the not too distant future.

And lets be honest - the broadband infrastructure in the UK has been improving immensely over the last couple of years. Even here out in the sticks of SE Scotland Ive got fttp with gigabit available if I want to pay for it (I dont - Im happy with less!) 5 years from now it'll be available to virtually everywhere in the UK.
 
^^ Totally irrelevant to any discussion about what might happen with the satellites at 19E & 28E

Satellite delivered data services in all their myriad forms definitely have a future. As does satellite refuelling, in orbit maintenance & deorbiting of derelict satellites.

TV being delivered via satellite in much of Europe doesnt have a future in the medium to long term - the big pay tv providers have made that abundantly clear
 
Link this topic to the discussion. You'll find we're not at odds. Interest in satellite broadcasting is decreasing and will continue to decrease. The television broadcasting market isn't growing.
 
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Sinus said:
Well this is odd. Lyngsat are showing Astra 2E/2F/2G at 28.3?
Obviously 2E is 28.5 but have SES moved the other birds, or is this an error by Lyngsat?
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If you click on the satellites individually it says 2F and 2G still are at 28,2 E and 2E at 28,5 E.
My 1,8 meter antenna is directed at 28,35 E to get best possible signal from all three birds.
 
Nalleman said:
If you click on the satellites individually it says 2F and 2G still are at 28,2 E and 2E at 28,5 E.
My 1,8 meter antenna is directed at 28,35 E to get best possible signal from all three birds.
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why aren't they all at 28.2 (or 28.3)?
 
Pride Of Cucamonga said:
why aren't they all at 28.2 (or 28.3)?
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Earlier Astra 2A, 2B and 2D were at 28,2 E and Eutelsat 28A at 28,5 E.

Astra "owns" the slot 28,2 E and Eutelsat 28,5 E.

However Eutelsat doesn't have any satellite at this position now. Instead they lease certain frequencies on the current Astra satellites (11305 H/11306 V, 11344 H/V, 11386 H/V and 11426 H/V).
 
Nalleman said:
Earlier Astra 2A, 2B and 2D were at 28,2 E and Eutelsat 28A at 28,5 E.

Astra "owns" the slot 28,2 E and Eutelsat 28,5 E.

However Eutelsat doesn't have any satellite at this position now. Instead they lease certain frequencies on the current Astra satellites (11305 H/11306 V, 11344 H/V, 11386 H/V and 11426 H/V).
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sure, but that doesn't answer why all sats aren't in one place, like with 19.2 and most others. maybe there is some benefit to spreading them out more?
 
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