Advice Needed Receivers with the lowest Symbol Rate?

[Vipersan]

Looking good, by the way what is the interior diameter of the Bullseye cavity ?

You may find cutting the scalar off entirely and filing to sleeve into the new feed improves the transfer (I recall there was a performance drop at 12GHz when cavity length was over 8cms), hitting the exact focal point is the main criteria though, seconded by illumination of the entire parabola.

Cant tell you exactly Stephen...dont have calipers long enough or thin enough to reach inside the bullseye throat.
What I can say is that the ally tube from the solder sucker wont slide into it but will stand upright at the point the throat narrows so less than 20mm but not by much.
so likely 18mm diameter. ?
Distance from first throat antenna probe (bullseye) to end of CH waveguide when fitted will be approx 8.5cm
Distance from rear of bullseye waveguide chamber to end of CH feed will be 9.5cm approx
do you think this will be close enough ?
Thinning the ally at various points of contact may gain me a few more mm if needed...thus shortening the overall length of the waveguide...but we are talking 4mm possibly 5mm at most.
ie ..the thickness of the c120 feed flange you provided is 6mm so could be reduced by say 4mm without losing rigidity and clampability.

having removed the burrs from the cut solder pump tube the internal dameter was measured again and is closer to 17.5mm not 17mm
a step in the right direction....

 

[Vipersan]

In light of the accuracy needed for this project I treated myself to some better calipers from Amazon..
They should be here tomorrow and much better than struggling with my cheapo plastic ones.

Preciva Digital Vernier Caliper, USB-C Rechargeable 150mm / 6inch Stainless Steel Calipers Measuring Tool – IP54 Water-Resistant with Large LCD Display, MM/IN Conversion, Lock & Zero Function​

 

[irkfi]

The broadcasts with lowest symbol rate transmitted on Eutelsat satellites are on the Eutelsat16D: Radio Wrocław(Breslau)@12590.7V SR100 and Radio Gdańsk(Danzig)@12589.0V SR146. The questions are which set-top box (not card!) is able to receive these broadcasts and what antenna and LNB is needed. According to AI Dreambox with non-FBC receiver card can receive them but are there any others? Are there special requirements for antenna and LNB?

 

[Channel Hopper]

In light of the accuracy needed for this project I treated myself to some better calipers from Amazon..
They should be here tomorrow and much better than struggling with my cheapo plastic ones.

Preciva Digital Vernier Caliper, USB-C Rechargeable 150mm / 6inch Stainless Steel Calipers Measuring Tool – IP54 Water-Resistant with Large LCD Display, MM/IN Conversion, Lock & Zero Function​

In the meantime you could cut a piece of solder to the length that just slides into the throat, then measure with a standard ruler.

 

[Vipersan]

Gone as far as I could today...
Drilled the M2 holes to clamp CH feed to Bullseye ...
used the aluminium circle I'd removed earlier as a spacer to make up the perimeter gap around the CH feed temporarily ..this will be replaced with a rubber gasket.
Once assembled I took Stephens advice and passed a piece of solder down inside the new assembly until it touched bottom the bent it over to mark it ..
The solder length checks in at 9.8cm feed end to base of lnb cavity.

No addtional internal waveguide added between feed and lnb at this point.

 

[Channel Hopper]

Gone as far as I could today...
Drilled the M2 holes to clamp CH feed to Bullseye ...
used the aluminium circle I'd removed earlier as a spacer to make up the perimeter gap around the CH feed temporarily ..this will be replaced with a rubber gasket.
Once assembled I took Stephens advice and passed a piece of solder down inside the new assembly until it touched bottom the bent it over to mark it ..
The solder length checks in at 9.8cm feed end to base of lnb cavity.

No addtional internal waveguide added between feed and lnb at this point.

I meant the throat diameter.

 

[Vipersan]

Might as well wait until tomorrow for that Stephen...
I dont want to open her up again today.
cheers

 

[Channel Hopper]

Of course, I wasn't expecting the feed to arrive the following day, based on the RM paperwork

 

[Vipersan]

Whilst waiting for the calipers to arrive I decided to tackle the waveguide depth which was previously 9.8cm
We need to be in the 7 to 8cm range..
So out came the hacksaw again...and an hour later the offset feed is reduced again to the point at which the flaring reaches 3cm diameter..
This still leaves enough flange to be used to bolt the 2 items together..
It also allow me to properly measure throat diameter once those calipers arrive.
And the real purpose of this process ..reduces waveguide depth to 7.8cm (the sweet spot).
and finally ...it removes even more cast aluminium bulk...thus the sleeve piece can be even shorter.
At this point the short 'sleeve' could be made by inserting a small section of pipe into the sloping mouth of the bullseye and pouring silver epoxy into the space around the centre pipe ...and that is the route I would take if silver epoxy wasn't so ridiculously expensive.
perhaps there is a cheaper alternative I'm unaware of ?
Must be pourable/moldable and conductive when cured ?
cest la vie
rgds
Just discovered that

Aluminum Metal Repair Epoxy Adhesive Glue 1 Set Strong Bond Machinable Sandable​

can be got from China at £3 approx.....but no idea if this is truely ally ...and conductive.
Anyone used it ...???
Just asked google AI :-
Properties of Standard Metal Repair Epoxy

• • Strong Bond: Creates a rigid, high-strength structural hold on aluminum, iron, and steel without needing high heat or welding tools. [1]
  Electrical Insulation: Standard epoxy resins act as electrical insulators. They block electricity rather than conduct it
• 
  
• If your repair specifically requires electrical conductivity (such as fixing circuit traces or electronic grounding tabs), standard metal repair epoxy will not work. Instead, you must use a specialized electrically conductive adhesive infused with metal particles, such as MG Chemicals 8331D Silver Conductive Epoxy Adhesive

 

[Channel Hopper]

If I had known that was your plan, removing the outer scalar rings completely and perhaps turn (or file) down the cylinder to fit inside the PF feed would keep the electrical connectivity.

(In part the reason for asking about the Bullseye measurements).

 

[Vipersan]

It wasn't my plan initially to remove so much bullseye feed Stephen ..but after discovering anything longer than 8cm (waveguide wise) results in losses I changed my approach.
It _was_ however always my intention th leave enough of the original offset waveguide to be used as a flange to bolt to the C120 feed.
Silver epoxy is afaik the only real conductive epoxy but at £130 for 14mg ...
err no thanx.

 

[Channel Hopper]

It wasn't my plan initially Stephen ..but after discovering anything longer than 8cm (waveguid wise) results in losses I changed my approach.
It _was_ however always my intention th leave enough of the original offset waveguide to be used as a flange to bolt to the C120 feed.

OK

Without cutting anything else off (That Monty Python sketch), what is the inner and outer diameters of the circular cavity ?

 

[Vipersan]

OK

Without cutting anything else off (That Monty Python sketch), what is the inner and outer diameters of the circular cavity ?

Love that sketch btw...
Still waiting for my delivery...but I will post those dimensions as soon as I have them.

 

[Channel Hopper]

Just stick a ruler over the front end and I'll do the rest.

It might be you could have both parts threaded to secure but sleeving with aforementioned tin can might be good as a starter.

 

[Vipersan]

CH prime focus feed int diameter 20.49mm
Bullseye lnb int diameter 18.62mm
Solder pump sleeve int diameter 17.84mm

CH Prime focus feed ext diameter 22.38mm
Bullseye lnb ext diameter 23.2mm
Solder pump sleeve ext diameter 20.02 mm

it is of course only the internal diameters which are critical

since there is roughly 2mm variation between lnb and feed the feed being larger I would assume any sleeve around 19.5mm int diameter would be ideal ...so fractionally larger than the solder pump sleeve I was intending to use.
a sort of step down in stages if you will.

 

[dreamsat]

Whilst waiting for the calipers to arrive I decided to tackle the waveguide depth which was previously 9.8cm
We need to be in the 7 to 8cm range..
So out came the hacksaw again...and an hour later the offset feed is reduced again to the point at which the flaring reaches 3cm diameter..
This still leaves enough flange to be used to bolt the 2 items together..
It also allow me to properly measure throat diameter once those calipers arrive.
And the real purpose of this process ..reduces waveguide depth to 7.8cm (the sweet spot).
and finally ...it removes even more cast aluminium bulk...thus the sleeve piece can be even shorter.
At this point the short 'sleeve' could be made by inserting a small section of pipe into the sloping mouth of the bullseye and pouring silver epoxy into the space around the centre pipe ...and that is the route I would take if silver epoxy wasn't so ridiculously expensive.
perhaps there is a cheaper alternative I'm unaware of ?
Must be pourable/moldable and conductive when cured ?
cest la vie
rgds
Just discovered that

Aluminum Metal Repair Epoxy Adhesive Glue 1 Set Strong Bond Machinable Sandable​

can be got from China at £3 approx.....but no idea if this is truely ally ...and conductive.
Anyone used it ...???
Just asked google AI :-
Properties of Standard Metal Repair Epoxy

• • Strong Bond: Creates a rigid, high-strength structural hold on aluminum, iron, and steel without needing high heat or welding tools. [1]
  • Electrical Insulation:
  Standard epoxy resins act as electrical insulators. They block electricity rather than conduct it
• 
  
• If your repair specifically requires electrical conductivity (such as fixing circuit traces or electronic grounding tabs), standard metal repair epoxy will not work. Instead, you must use a specialized electrically conductive adhesive infused with metal particles, such as MG Chemicals 8331D Silver Conductive Epoxy Adhesive

Here is how I did it: I clamped the feed into a lathe's four-jaw chuck and machined it down at the point where it meets the waveguide. The feed then came off, allowing me to trim the waveguide to the exact half-wavelength dimension. Finally, I bonded on a flange, and the C120-flange LNB was ready.

 

[Vipersan]

CH prime focus feed int diameter 20.49mm
Bullseye lnb int diameter 18.62mm
Solder pump sleeve int diameter 17.84mm

CH Prime focus feed 22.38mm
Bullseye lnb ext diameter 23.2mm
Solder pump sleeve ext diameter 20.02 mm

it is of course only the internal diameters which are critical

since there is roughly 2mm variation between lnb and feed the feed being larger I would assume any sleeve around 19.5mm int diameter would be ideal ...so fractionally larger than the solder pump sleeve I was intending to use.
a sort of step down in stages if you will.

I guess a piece of this is about the closest I've found thus far...

 

[Vipersan]

Here is how I did it: I clamped the feed into a lathe's four-jaw chuck and machined it down at the point where it meets the waveguide. The feed then came off, allowing me to trim the waveguide to the exact half-wavelength dimension. Finally, I bonded on a flange, and the C120-flange LNB was ready.

Nice but sadly I dont have access to a lathe..
I did consider trying to swage ally pipe but not sure it would respond like copper.
Pity you are in germany or I would have asked you to make me something suitable.
lol

 

[dreamsat]

You can always choose to send it to me. It’s a very quick process, and the materials and flanges are always in stock.

 

[Vipersan]

You can always choose to send it to me. It’s a very quick process, and the materials and flanges are always in stock.

I wont deny I am tempted...
Turnaround time and cost would have to be taken into consideration of course.
I'll put that on the back burner for now dreamsat as I am still searching for suitable pipe.
rgds
and again
Thanx